Ας κατοικεί τούτο ανάμεσα μας, το να ζούμε στην οδό ως οδοιπόροι, προσκυνητές και ξένοι, γεμίζοντας την ψυχή μας με ουράνιους και πνευματικούς χαρακτήρες. Άγιος Κολουμπάνος της Ιρλανδίας.
Για αποστολή ηλεκτρονικού ταχυδρομείου εδώ christos.vas94@gmail.com.
The idea of the 'Celtic Church' is really a myth and is one which is not upheld by any of the contemporary scholars who work in this field. There is a vast amount of research going on in universities across these islands and none of it that I have seen confirms the idea of a 'Celtic Church'. Nobody in Ireland denies the influence of the eastern tradition of monasticism which was mediated to the west by St John Cassian. On the contrary, we have always been proud of it. However, that does not alter the reality that the Irish were fully part of the Western Church, and the local peculiarities in tonsure or Paschal dating do not negate that. There is also still scholarly debate on just how much knowledge of Greek the early Irish church actually had. I think, with all respect to His Grace, that he actually overstates it. The idea that there was an early Irish church which was hostile to and independent of Rome is a Protestant thesis. I can understand why it was attractive to them as it made their Reformation seem less of a revolution and more of a restoration. It has resurfaced in our own times among neo-pagans who have constructed their own fantasy 'Celtic Church' which was egalitarian, anti-authority, pro-woman, pro-environment etc. I think it would contribute more to the debate if Orthodox commentators would define their vision of the early Irish church as orthodox. That could be genuinely very fruitful.
And thank you for your response. I have some appreciation of how the Orthodox view these matters as I was myself in the Orthodox church for ten years. Beannacht Dé leat.
I do not know the reason you decided to leave behind the Orthodox church and of course I will not ask you since it is one very personal question, but I am really happy you understand and appreciate my point of view concerning the Irish saints. I love very much saint Columba because he protects the poets and the artists generally. I like to write poems. In the next days I will send you a poem about saint Columba and if you like it you can post it at your blog.
Thank you, yes, the comm box of a blog is not the place to deal with such personal and painful things. I will look forward to seeing your poem, by a strange coincidence I was reading a book this afternoon by one of the leading experts on Saint Columba and was struck by his conclusion 'The Columban legacy is one of praise poetry and story-telling'. Are you familiar with the services to Irish saints composed in Greek by Protopsaltis Panagiotis Somalis? I had the pleasure some years ago of having a Greek friend chant his service to Saint Patrick for me on March 17. I can't remember if he also composed a service to Saint Columba.
Yes, I know about the service he composed for Saint Patrick and also I have uploaded one video where I sing (I sing at our church choir) one hymn to saint Patrick from the service of Panagiotis Somalis. You can see this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-_hYD0TJps
I also sing one Greek hymn to saint Melangell (the Irish saint who was a hermit at Wales) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2MC2pBiS2Y
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The idea of the 'Celtic Church' is really a myth and is one which is not upheld by any of the contemporary scholars who work in this field. There is a vast amount of research going on in universities across these islands and none of it that I have seen confirms the idea of a 'Celtic Church'. Nobody in Ireland denies the influence of the eastern tradition of monasticism which was mediated to the west by St John Cassian. On the contrary, we have always been proud of it. However, that does not alter the reality that the Irish were fully part of the Western Church, and the local peculiarities in tonsure or Paschal dating do not negate that. There is also still scholarly debate on just how much knowledge of Greek the early Irish church actually had. I think, with all respect to His Grace, that he actually overstates it. The idea that there was an early Irish church which was hostile to and independent of Rome is a Protestant thesis. I can understand why it was attractive to them as it made their Reformation seem less of a revolution and more of a restoration. It has resurfaced in our own times among neo-pagans who have constructed their own fantasy 'Celtic Church' which was egalitarian, anti-authority, pro-woman, pro-environment etc. I think it would contribute more to the debate if Orthodox commentators would define their vision of the early Irish church as orthodox. That could be genuinely very fruitful.
Thank you very much for your comment Marcella. It was very enlightening. God bless you.
Although I do not agree with everything you say. God bless you.
And thank you for your response. I have some appreciation of how the Orthodox view these matters as I was myself in the Orthodox church for ten years. Beannacht Dé leat.
I do not know the reason you decided to leave behind the Orthodox church and of course I will not ask you since it is one very personal question, but I am really happy you understand and appreciate my point of view concerning the Irish saints. I love very much saint Columba because he protects the poets and the artists generally. I like to write poems. In the next days I will send you a poem about saint Columba and if you like it you can post it at your blog.
Thank you, yes, the comm box of a blog is not the place to deal with such personal and painful things. I will look forward to seeing your poem, by a strange coincidence I was reading a book this afternoon by one of the leading experts on Saint Columba and was struck by his conclusion 'The Columban legacy is one of praise poetry and story-telling'. Are you familiar with the services to Irish saints composed in Greek by Protopsaltis Panagiotis Somalis? I had the pleasure some years ago of having a Greek friend chant his service to Saint Patrick for me on March 17. I can't remember if he also composed a service to Saint Columba.
Yes, I know about the service he composed for Saint Patrick and also I have uploaded one video where I sing (I sing at our church choir) one hymn to saint Patrick from the service of Panagiotis Somalis. You can see this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-_hYD0TJps
I also sing one Greek hymn to saint Melangell (the Irish saint who was a hermit at Wales) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2MC2pBiS2Y
This hymn was composed by a Greek nun.
And before some minutes I uploaded another hymn for saint Patrick from Panagiotis Somalis service, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhseExcskAA
Excellent. thank you!
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